A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
ready for reading....
http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
Enjoy! =)
-- Ryan
Posting Guidelines
20 messages in this thread |
Started on 2003-08-23
Posting Guidelines
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-23 20:48:49 UTC
Re: Posting Guidelines
From: barbw427 (barbw427@insightbb.com) |
Date: 2003-08-23 21:32:32 UTC
I found the posting guidelines to be well-written, informative, and
entertaining! They look ready for publication to me.
Barb of The Weaver Family
entertaining! They look ready for publication to me.
Barb of The Weaver Family
Re: Posting Guidelines
From: bcostley (bobbyeubanks@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2003-08-24 01:16:03 UTC
You forgot this guideline:
When posting stuff that will start a three week flame war (e.g. -
the anti-SitRep club post), it's best to do it in the middle of a
2000 mile hike.
:)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
When posting stuff that will start a three week flame war (e.g. -
the anti-SitRep club post), it's best to do it in the middle of a
2000 mile hike.
:)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Mary (RI) (rid25751@ride.ri.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 02:29:11 UTC-04:00
"Posting Guidelines
It has come to my attention that many people have skipped the "How to write an intelligent post" class, so I'm going to review some pointers here. Posting--and this is applicable to any chat board, discussion group, talk list, etc--is a simple thing to do, so it's amazing that so many people flunk the basic principles.
Don't ask stupid questions.
A common mistake--especially for newbies that are new to a discussion group--is to ask annoyingly stupid questions."
Wow. You are brutal, Ryan. Your rough draft is a little too rough, I think. I take it you want some input on this or you wouldn't have bothered posting the link. I'm pretty sure that you think you are just being honest and to-the-point, and humorous maybe, but you come off as quite a pompous know-it-all holier-than-thou waaaay-too-sexy-for-my-shirt kinda person. Yuck. But hear me out, because I am shooting the message and the delivery, not just the messenger. ;-) You seem the kind who can take it.
Although some of your "guidelines" (read: things that you think are stupid, inane, or otherwise idiotic) have some merit, you are ignoring the fact that the rest of the people in the world aren't all as smart and savvy as you are nor well-versed in what you consider good posting netiquette. Some people who ask stupid questions do so because they are a stranger in a strange land. To point out so coldly their inexperience (stupidity) makes this strange land bitterly inhospitable.
So, do what you suggest people already do and ignore their posts. That's all. Contrary to what you assert, although most of us may not be terrifically impressed with other people's kids or family members doing whatever, it's obvious that there are others on the list who are very supportive and very interested. What makes for "good stuff" for you, as you have listed it, doesn't necessarily do a thing for me. I wouldn't care about handsome firefighters any more than for the Happy Meal on any given day. It's all very subjective and personal, but rather than announce what I think is unnesessary or uninteresting *to me* I would rather let others speak their minds and tell their adventures without feeling the need to let them know whether I truly care or not. I have my own mental filters. I have a delete key. I don't need to be rude. (But I might be if I think the other person has been rude first.)
I personally would rather the company of kind, "stupid" people, or helpful, patient veterans, than acidic, terse people who feel the need to make others feel small and/or stupid.
But maybe that's just me. And maybe you don't realize how bitter and caustic your writing comes across. Maybe I am reading more acidity than you intended. If so, I apologize. I think your guidelines are not really necessary, but if you must post them, could you try to be a little kinder and gentler?
Oh, also, FWIW, if any reader doesn't quite get what a particular acronym means, I see no harm in asking, because it could very well be bugging a few others who don't want to ask and appear stupid. (Although I personally would probably do a web-search if I couldn't figure it out using context clues rather than picture someone snickering at my lack of knowledge and my audacity to ask for clarification.) Shorthand acronyms, for the most part, are for brevity, not necessarily to make oneself feel smarter. The longer a person is on the net and exposed to them, the easier they get.
On the positive side, I think your suggestion to lurk and read for a while and to read the FAQs is good. I don't think it can be said enough. Someone suggested that this be posted regularly, and I agree. I belonged to a group for a while that posted a welcome letter with some of your same points, but with a much different tone.
Just my $1.25. I can appreciate that you would like to inform and educate the newbie or the dense. I just think there could be better ways to get the points across. Maybe I'm too easy-going and patient, but I work with children and I'm also sensitive, so it just rubs me wrong the way in which you choose to correct and conform the unindoctrinated general reader and poster.
Not everyone will agree with me, I'm sure. Now that your Guidelines are posted by link and I have posted my reaction, feel free to blast away at me if you feel the need.
Mary (RI)
----- Original Message -----
From: rscarpen
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
ready for reading....
http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
Enjoy! =)
-- Ryan
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It has come to my attention that many people have skipped the "How to write an intelligent post" class, so I'm going to review some pointers here. Posting--and this is applicable to any chat board, discussion group, talk list, etc--is a simple thing to do, so it's amazing that so many people flunk the basic principles.
Don't ask stupid questions.
A common mistake--especially for newbies that are new to a discussion group--is to ask annoyingly stupid questions."
Wow. You are brutal, Ryan. Your rough draft is a little too rough, I think. I take it you want some input on this or you wouldn't have bothered posting the link. I'm pretty sure that you think you are just being honest and to-the-point, and humorous maybe, but you come off as quite a pompous know-it-all holier-than-thou waaaay-too-sexy-for-my-shirt kinda person. Yuck. But hear me out, because I am shooting the message and the delivery, not just the messenger. ;-) You seem the kind who can take it.
Although some of your "guidelines" (read: things that you think are stupid, inane, or otherwise idiotic) have some merit, you are ignoring the fact that the rest of the people in the world aren't all as smart and savvy as you are nor well-versed in what you consider good posting netiquette. Some people who ask stupid questions do so because they are a stranger in a strange land. To point out so coldly their inexperience (stupidity) makes this strange land bitterly inhospitable.
So, do what you suggest people already do and ignore their posts. That's all. Contrary to what you assert, although most of us may not be terrifically impressed with other people's kids or family members doing whatever, it's obvious that there are others on the list who are very supportive and very interested. What makes for "good stuff" for you, as you have listed it, doesn't necessarily do a thing for me. I wouldn't care about handsome firefighters any more than for the Happy Meal on any given day. It's all very subjective and personal, but rather than announce what I think is unnesessary or uninteresting *to me* I would rather let others speak their minds and tell their adventures without feeling the need to let them know whether I truly care or not. I have my own mental filters. I have a delete key. I don't need to be rude. (But I might be if I think the other person has been rude first.)
I personally would rather the company of kind, "stupid" people, or helpful, patient veterans, than acidic, terse people who feel the need to make others feel small and/or stupid.
But maybe that's just me. And maybe you don't realize how bitter and caustic your writing comes across. Maybe I am reading more acidity than you intended. If so, I apologize. I think your guidelines are not really necessary, but if you must post them, could you try to be a little kinder and gentler?
Oh, also, FWIW, if any reader doesn't quite get what a particular acronym means, I see no harm in asking, because it could very well be bugging a few others who don't want to ask and appear stupid. (Although I personally would probably do a web-search if I couldn't figure it out using context clues rather than picture someone snickering at my lack of knowledge and my audacity to ask for clarification.) Shorthand acronyms, for the most part, are for brevity, not necessarily to make oneself feel smarter. The longer a person is on the net and exposed to them, the easier they get.
On the positive side, I think your suggestion to lurk and read for a while and to read the FAQs is good. I don't think it can be said enough. Someone suggested that this be posted regularly, and I agree. I belonged to a group for a while that posted a welcome letter with some of your same points, but with a much different tone.
Just my $1.25. I can appreciate that you would like to inform and educate the newbie or the dense. I just think there could be better ways to get the points across. Maybe I'm too easy-going and patient, but I work with children and I'm also sensitive, so it just rubs me wrong the way in which you choose to correct and conform the unindoctrinated general reader and poster.
Not everyone will agree with me, I'm sure. Now that your Guidelines are posted by link and I have posted my reaction, feel free to blast away at me if you feel the need.
Mary (RI)
----- Original Message -----
From: rscarpen
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
ready for reading....
http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
Enjoy! =)
-- Ryan
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Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Steve and Heidi (stephenholyfield@sbcglobal.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 11:36:02 UTC
Wow do we hear another flame war coming??
Mary at al -
We think Ryan's "rules" are well intentioned and brutally honest.
Perhaps a quick disclaimer at the top of the page is better than
sugar-coating his message?? I mean after all -- he's just said what
MANY of us have wanted to! I escpecially like the portion that deals
with overly-frequent postings that contain nothing more than "Me
Too".
Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list...
-Steve, Heidi , & Madras
Mary at al -
We think Ryan's "rules" are well intentioned and brutally honest.
Perhaps a quick disclaimer at the top of the page is better than
sugar-coating his message?? I mean after all -- he's just said what
MANY of us have wanted to! I escpecially like the portion that deals
with overly-frequent postings that contain nothing more than "Me
Too".
Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list...
-Steve, Heidi , & Madras
Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Jena Marie Paolilli (jena@bluejena.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 10:09:44 UTC-04:00
Just to comment on one piece of this:
"Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list..."
Not everyone uses the Yahoo Groups web interface to read and reply to messages. I know that I use Outlook to receive and read all messages (unless perhaps I'm in-between letterboxes and stop into a public library to search for messages regarding a box that I'm on my way to find) and therefore the reply function only sends messages to the list.
-Jena
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"Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list..."
Not everyone uses the Yahoo Groups web interface to read and reply to messages. I know that I use Outlook to receive and read all messages (unless perhaps I'm in-between letterboxes and stop into a public library to search for messages regarding a box that I'm on my way to find) and therefore the reply function only sends messages to the list.
-Jena
blue dragonfly
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E0 C1 A2
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Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: psycomommy2003 (ktborrelli@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-24 15:44:43 UTC
Wow!!!!! You ARE brutal, Ryan.
What in the name of, "Are You There God, It's Me Margaret" where you
thinking???????
Thank goodness it's a link. Before publishing fix revelent, to
relevant, because it's NOT!
You have way too much time on your hands or has the sun gotten to
you?
Psychomommy
What in the name of, "Are You There God, It's Me Margaret" where you
thinking???????
Thank goodness it's a link. Before publishing fix revelent, to
relevant, because it's NOT!
You have way too much time on your hands or has the sun gotten to
you?
Psychomommy
Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Lauren May (lauren@webeans.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 16:50:31 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Jena Marie Paolilli"
wrote:
> and therefore the reply function only sends messages to the list.
>
Unless you cut & paste the yahoo group return address.....
Lauren May
> and therefore the reply function only sends messages to the list.
>
Unless you cut & paste the yahoo group return address.....
Lauren May
Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Mary (RI) (rid25751@ride.ri.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 12:51:34 UTC-04:00
Hi, Steve and Heidi,
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve and Heidi
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
Wow do we hear another flame war coming??
Nope. You probably don't want a real flame war. I know I don't. That's not what this list is for. But if ever called to the task, I'd whip out my Binford FlameThrow 3000 and have at it. (arh arh arh!) I bet I could burn a wicked swath! But just picture or imagine my post said in the least abbrasive way, maybe like in the manner you'd speak to a co-worker when he has unnecessarily reamed someone who made a mistake.
Mary at al -
We think Ryan's "rules" are well intentioned and brutally honest.
Perhaps a quick disclaimer at the top of the page is better than
sugar-coating his message??
Yes, a "Warning: Highly Toxic" label would be good. ;-)
I mean after all -- he's just said what
MANY of us have wanted to! I escpecially like the portion that deals
with overly-frequent postings that contain nothing more than "Me
Too".
There probably is a delete key on your computer, too, or some function in Yahoo that lets you skip the "Me, too" posts, if you so choose.
Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list...
Ah, but I use Outlook Express and the default reply is to the list. One has to do a little more work to find the "mail to:" address under properties. But honestly, I was being open and purposely answered in the public forum. The last paragraph should make that clear.
I appreciate that others (MANY?) could agree with Ryan's "guidelines" but I would ask why all those many others would not post such a thing here? And I would think that the true answer is that most people are considerate of other people's feelings and probably don't want to appear like a wise-aker or bully. Ryan brought up good points. I think I made it clear that it was more the tone of his writing with which I took issue.
Mary
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From: Steve and Heidi
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
Wow do we hear another flame war coming??
Nope. You probably don't want a real flame war. I know I don't. That's not what this list is for. But if ever called to the task, I'd whip out my Binford FlameThrow 3000 and have at it. (arh arh arh!) I bet I could burn a wicked swath! But just picture or imagine my post said in the least abbrasive way, maybe like in the manner you'd speak to a co-worker when he has unnecessarily reamed someone who made a mistake.
Mary at al -
We think Ryan's "rules" are well intentioned and brutally honest.
Perhaps a quick disclaimer at the top of the page is better than
sugar-coating his message??
Yes, a "Warning: Highly Toxic" label would be good. ;-)
I mean after all -- he's just said what
MANY of us have wanted to! I escpecially like the portion that deals
with overly-frequent postings that contain nothing more than "Me
Too".
There probably is a delete key on your computer, too, or some function in Yahoo that lets you skip the "Me, too" posts, if you so choose.
Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list...
Ah, but I use Outlook Express and the default reply is to the list. One has to do a little more work to find the "mail to:" address under properties. But honestly, I was being open and purposely answered in the public forum. The last paragraph should make that clear.
I appreciate that others (MANY?) could agree with Ryan's "guidelines" but I would ask why all those many others would not post such a thing here? And I would think that the true answer is that most people are considerate of other people's feelings and probably don't want to appear like a wise-aker or bully. Ryan brought up good points. I think I made it clear that it was more the tone of his writing with which I took issue.
Mary
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Re: Posting Guidelines
From: sileagle1 (sileagle@alltel.net) |
Date: 2003-08-25 01:51:44 UTC
> A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
Wow, in just a few short weeks we have gone from a hobby with
"no rules" to one with strict "guidelines". Rather than risk
being shamed by the Letterbox Police, maybe we should send
all posts to Ryan so he can approve them before they go to
the group. :)
Silver Eagle
(Trying hard not to be a "Letterbox Bozo")
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
Wow, in just a few short weeks we have gone from a hobby with
"no rules" to one with strict "guidelines". Rather than risk
being shamed by the Letterbox Police, maybe we should send
all posts to Ryan so he can approve them before they go to
the group. :)
Silver Eagle
(Trying hard not to be a "Letterbox Bozo")
Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Magic Mike (mmletterbox@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 03:10:55 UTC
>From: "Steve and Heidi"
>Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
>Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:36:02 -0000
>
>Wow do we hear another flame war coming??
>
>Mary at al -
>We think Ryan's "rules" are well intentioned and brutally honest.
>Perhaps a quick disclaimer at the top of the page is better than
>sugar-coating his message?? I mean after all -- he's just said what
>MANY of us have wanted to! I escpecially like the portion that deals
>with overly-frequent postings that contain nothing more than "Me
>Too".
>
>Hint: When you click on reply to post - use the drop down Email
>addresses to reply to the poster and not the entire list...
>
>
>-Steve, Heidi , & Madras
>
>
Now I'm confused...since the "guidelines" were posted for all to
review...does that mean that we should only direct our comments to the
poster...or should we be given the privilege of allowing all to see the
reaction to the "guidelines"
Magic Mike
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Posting Guidelines
From: Gwen & Don Jackson (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 20:28:11 UTC-07:00
Hey Folks,
Ryan asked for your input, and wanted you to contact him directly (see bottom of his text). Please give him your input as he requested and keep the chat list from being nuked again. Don
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Ryan asked for your input, and wanted you to contact him directly (see bottom of his text). Please give him your input as he requested and keep the chat list from being nuked again. Don
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Posting Guidelines
From: (cadenza74@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2003-08-24 22:11:53 UTC-06:00
Hey, can we stop it on the attack trail? Ryan made a post, take it or leave
it. It wasn't official-just a note made on his personal webpage. By the
way, some of us anxiously look forward to reading the next installment of
his notes on hiking the trail. I'm doing it vicariously through him since I
won't ever be able to myself (at this point, that is). I thoroughly enjoy
each of his posts. Yes, some of them are strongly worded and of strong
opinions, but there is no need to come back and attack him personally. That
comes of sounding more mean spirited than the post that people are writing
about in the first place, especially when some of the comments are made in a
tongue-in-cheek manner (ex. anti-sitrep organizations).
We have the right to disagree and to say so, but it doesn't help anything
when we go on to personal attacks.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
What a load of self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, rude,
condescending, hostile horse biscuits. This guy should just learn to
treat the posts that are beneath him like I do most of his endless
ramblings about the Appalachian Trail - ignore them.
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it. It wasn't official-just a note made on his personal webpage. By the
way, some of us anxiously look forward to reading the next installment of
his notes on hiking the trail. I'm doing it vicariously through him since I
won't ever be able to myself (at this point, that is). I thoroughly enjoy
each of his posts. Yes, some of them are strongly worded and of strong
opinions, but there is no need to come back and attack him personally. That
comes of sounding more mean spirited than the post that people are writing
about in the first place, especially when some of the comments are made in a
tongue-in-cheek manner (ex. anti-sitrep organizations).
We have the right to disagree and to say so, but it doesn't help anything
when we go on to personal attacks.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
What a load of self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, rude,
condescending, hostile horse biscuits. This guy should just learn to
treat the posts that are beneath him like I do most of his endless
ramblings about the Appalachian Trail - ignore them.
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Posting Guidelines
From: Chuck Straub (woodschuckstraub@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 06:38:59 UTC-07:00
I've been having problems with my email so I am a little behind with the posts. Wow another war of the postings. My view is that no rules is a good rule. Letterboxing is made up of many very different types of people with wide and varied opinions. No rules, but we all should try to be civil and use common sense. Diversity can be a strength not a weakness and stupidity is all in the eye of the beholder.....Chuck and Molly
bcostley wrote:You forgot this guideline:
When posting stuff that will start a three week flame war (e.g. -
the anti-SitRep club post), it's best to do it in the middle of a
2000 mile hike.
:)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
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bcostley
When posting stuff that will start a three week flame war (e.g. -
the anti-SitRep club post), it's best to do it in the middle of a
2000 mile hike.
:)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> A few people have suggested to me to create a set of rules--
> posting "guidelines", actually, since rules would be impossible
> to enforce. Actually having some time on my hands and with
> Internet access, I have done as such and my first rough draft is
> ready for reading....
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rscarpen/Lb/Docs/Posting
>
> Enjoy! =)
>
> -- Ryan
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Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: Ron Salladin (salladin@frontiernet.net) |
Date: 2003-08-25 10:58:28 UTC-04:00
"Rough" is an understatement. If this was meant to educate and
enlighten, I think it needs a revision here and there.
ROC'nRON
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>Enjoy! =)
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enlighten, I think it needs a revision here and there.
ROC'nRON
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[LbNA] Re: Posting Guidelines
From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 16:07:47 UTC
Ditto!
Letterboxing is made up of many very different types of people with
wide and varied opinions. No rules, but we all should try to be civil
and use common sense. Diversity can be a strength not a weakness and
stupidity is all in the eye of the beholder.....Chuck and Molly
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The Hungry Eye
Re: [LbNA] Re: Posting Guidelines
From: Deb King (debean75@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 11:00:17 UTC-07:00
Guidelines are silly, considering people will continue to post however and whenever they choose. Thank the Gods for freedom of choice!!!!!!!
Ryan- keep those trail updates coming! I, for one, love them!
Debean - MD
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What a load of self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, rude,
condescending, hostile horse biscuits. This guy should just learn to
treat the posts that are beneath him like I do most of his endless
ramblings about the Appalachian Trail - ignore them.
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Ryan- keep those trail updates coming! I, for one, love them!
Debean - MD
Bigguy
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What a load of self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, rude,
condescending, hostile horse biscuits. This guy should just learn to
treat the posts that are beneath him like I do most of his endless
ramblings about the Appalachian Trail - ignore them.
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Re: [LbNA] Posting Guidelines
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 20:07:47 UTC
> Now I'm confused...since the "guidelines" were posted for all to
> review...does that mean that we should only direct our comments to
> the poster...or should we be given the privilege of allowing all to
> see the reaction to the "guidelines"
I don't really care if everyone sees everyone else's reactions, but
since I created the page and will be updating it, if a response isn't
e-mailed directly to me, there's a good chance I won't get it. My
Internet access is spotty at best, and I'm probably on this board
maybe five minutes a week. On a good week. I'm gonna miss a lot of
stuff, and those things won't be reflected in any revisions.
-- Ryan
> review...does that mean that we should only direct our comments to
> the poster...or should we be given the privilege of allowing all to
> see the reaction to the "guidelines"
I don't really care if everyone sees everyone else's reactions, but
since I created the page and will be updating it, if a response isn't
e-mailed directly to me, there's a good chance I won't get it. My
Internet access is spotty at best, and I'm probably on this board
maybe five minutes a week. On a good week. I'm gonna miss a lot of
stuff, and those things won't be reflected in any revisions.
-- Ryan
Re: Posting Guidelines
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 20:15:43 UTC
> Rather than risk being shamed by the Letterbox Police, maybe we
> should send all posts to Ryan so he can approve them before they go
> to the group. :)
I'd love to help out, but I--unfortunately--do not have the time.
When it becomes feasible, though, I will look into making such a
service available. =)
-- Ryan
> should send all posts to Ryan so he can approve them before they go
> to the group. :)
I'd love to help out, but I--unfortunately--do not have the time.
When it becomes feasible, though, I will look into making such a
service available. =)
-- Ryan
Re: Posting Guidelines
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2003-08-25 20:40:45 UTC
I've gotten all sorts of interesting e-mail from "You go, Ryan!" to,
well, things I can't say on this board since it's public. =)
Anyhow, the guidelines are meant to be just that--guidelines. They
are not meant to be rules, although I think it would be nice if many
of them were.
Also, I did not write these guidelines out of my own frustration or
annoyance with the boards--I've rarely been able to get on them since
I started hiking the Appalachian Trail. But I know more than one
person on the board has been frustrated by "bad posts", and I took it
upon myself to attempt to make the world a better place with
education of posting etiquette.
The tone is harsh--that's meant more to sound like one is in boot
camp--sort of an amuzing way to tackle the issue, although apparently
some people think it's more serious than it was really meant to
sound. But still, there are right and wrong ways to make a post, but
unless somebody comes out with the cold, harsh truth, how will anyone
learn them?
I could sugar coat the information and write in such a manner like
one might talk to a two-year old, but then I'd be flamed by everyone
saying I was treating them like a baby. It would also blunt the case
that while there is a certain level of subjectivity that makes up a
good post, there's also very measurable, quantifyable points that
make a good post (or a bad post, if that be the case). And people
would continue posting bad posts under the protective flag of "well,
that doesn't apply to ME--it's subjective!"
I'm sick of political correctness gone wild, so I wrote a page on
posting etiquette that was direct and brutally honest.
I'm not perfect, but I *am* an experienced poster--both on this board
and many, many others. I've seen countless examples of great posts
and bad ones. For those who are not so experienced, rather than
figure it out for themselves, I'm providing a service--and that's
exactly how I think of it, a service for others--so they can learn
from my own mistakes and experience. If they choose not to, I don't
really care. It'll only hurt their reputation, not mine, by
continuing to post bad posts. (Yes, I am aware that I do not have a
universal reputation as a "wonderful" person, but that's not because
of writing bad posts, but rather controversial ones. I've never been
afraid to share my brutally honest opinions!)
I will be making updates to my webpage based on the feedback I've
gotten (heaven knows when given my limited Internet access, but it
WILL happen). I'll probably try to tone down the tone a bit, but I
fear it will never be sugar-coated enough for some people.
And again, if you want to insure I read your replies, you must e-mail
me directly. I might read them if you post to the board, but it'll
be a hit-and-miss kind of thing.
-- Ryan
well, things I can't say on this board since it's public. =)
Anyhow, the guidelines are meant to be just that--guidelines. They
are not meant to be rules, although I think it would be nice if many
of them were.
Also, I did not write these guidelines out of my own frustration or
annoyance with the boards--I've rarely been able to get on them since
I started hiking the Appalachian Trail. But I know more than one
person on the board has been frustrated by "bad posts", and I took it
upon myself to attempt to make the world a better place with
education of posting etiquette.
The tone is harsh--that's meant more to sound like one is in boot
camp--sort of an amuzing way to tackle the issue, although apparently
some people think it's more serious than it was really meant to
sound. But still, there are right and wrong ways to make a post, but
unless somebody comes out with the cold, harsh truth, how will anyone
learn them?
I could sugar coat the information and write in such a manner like
one might talk to a two-year old, but then I'd be flamed by everyone
saying I was treating them like a baby. It would also blunt the case
that while there is a certain level of subjectivity that makes up a
good post, there's also very measurable, quantifyable points that
make a good post (or a bad post, if that be the case). And people
would continue posting bad posts under the protective flag of "well,
that doesn't apply to ME--it's subjective!"
I'm sick of political correctness gone wild, so I wrote a page on
posting etiquette that was direct and brutally honest.
I'm not perfect, but I *am* an experienced poster--both on this board
and many, many others. I've seen countless examples of great posts
and bad ones. For those who are not so experienced, rather than
figure it out for themselves, I'm providing a service--and that's
exactly how I think of it, a service for others--so they can learn
from my own mistakes and experience. If they choose not to, I don't
really care. It'll only hurt their reputation, not mine, by
continuing to post bad posts. (Yes, I am aware that I do not have a
universal reputation as a "wonderful" person, but that's not because
of writing bad posts, but rather controversial ones. I've never been
afraid to share my brutally honest opinions!)
I will be making updates to my webpage based on the feedback I've
gotten (heaven knows when given my limited Internet access, but it
WILL happen). I'll probably try to tone down the tone a bit, but I
fear it will never be sugar-coated enough for some people.
And again, if you want to insure I read your replies, you must e-mail
me directly. I might read them if you post to the board, but it'll
be a hit-and-miss kind of thing.
-- Ryan